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GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
tu lh br0 akibat ajaran paulus gedebus yg gk jelas tu mna yg haram mana yg halal.....gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
jiakakaakakakakaak
sempat tertipu ama judul TS
tapi saya lega karena tidak menyangkut agama saya
haahahahaahah
tapi itu HOX apa gak bung gusti bara?
sempat tertipu ama judul TS
tapi saya lega karena tidak menyangkut agama saya
haahahahaahah
tapi itu HOX apa gak bung gusti bara?
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
brani mati demi islam ku wrote:jiakakaakakakakaak
sempat tertipu ama judul TS
tapi saya lega karena tidak menyangkut agama saya
haahahahaahah
tapi itu HOX apa gak bung gusti bara?
hehehehe...ini asli bro...statistik resmi...survey resmi dan kejadian nyata...dari sumber yang terpercaya...sumbernya juga bukan milik muslim....ehehehhee asyik yah...masuk surga tapi bebas freesex..
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
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sungguh berbudaya "kasih" ya... (kasihilah sesamamu=sesama jenismu???)
itu lah kristen.. kaya akan cinta..
cinta sesama jenis.....
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
katolik toh...gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
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Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
agus wrote:Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
jagalah pantat anda...
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jagalah pantat anda...
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sabda alam wrote:agus wrote:Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
jagalah pantat anda...
NO:
YES:
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itu tandanya dilarang membelakangi dengan sengaja ya bromistik6666 wrote:sabda alam wrote:agus wrote:Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
jagalah pantat anda...
NO:
YES:
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sabda alam wrote:itu tandanya dilarang membelakangi dengan sengaja ya bromistik6666 wrote:sabda alam wrote:agus wrote:Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
jagalah pantat anda...
NO:
YES:
kalau dari belakang tapi lobangnya bener kan ndak salah. tapi kalau lobangnya keliru itu yang jadi masalah.....
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mistik6666 wrote:sabda alam wrote:itu tandanya dilarang membelakangi dengan sengaja ya bromistik6666 wrote:sabda alam wrote:agus wrote:Sama-sama penyembah yesus koq saling menghindar ?
jagalah pantat anda...
NO:
YES:
kalau dari belakang tapi lobangnya bener kan ndak salah. tapi kalau lobangnya keliru itu yang jadi masalah.....
Kalo menurut bahasa 'dogma' kristen itu ndak masalah ki lurah semar...
yang penting 'nature'nya sama...
sama-sama lobang....
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
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antipaganism wrote:gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
HIHIHIHI...ATI ATI LOH JANGAN DEKET2 KAUM INJILI...NTAR KENA PENYAKIT MEMATIKAN SEKALIGUS MEMALUKAN....penyakit kelamin....bisa2 kentut bunyi pppoooohhhhhh
mengerikan.....!!!
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Hai Nasran!!DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:antipaganism wrote:gusti_bara wrote:eeiiit....jangan seneng dulu lihat judul ts diatas....
disini yang dimaksud adalah gotong royong/ melakukan kerja secara bersama2 tanpa bayaran bukan untuk bersih desa/ membantu sesama...
tapi.....
dalam rangka memuaskan birahi....artinya salome...satu lobang rame-rame...entah itu lubang kemaluan kek...lobang tembat BAB kek...pokoknya embat rame- rame...
kek semboyan paulus gitchu...?!!
neh leat gara2 seneng gotong royong...(gw katakan gitu ajah biar bahasanya sopan bro...) banyak bangetdz loh pastur dan pendeta kena AIDS...(tahu kan aids penyakit yg memalukan)...zzztttt jangan keras2 bilangnya...ntar shaggy n bukan basa basi ngamuk loh....
ini beritanya/....
Like other Roman Catholic priests, Father Roger has taken vows of poverty, obedience and celibacy to stay pure and focused on God.
His parishioners trust Roger, who has known since grade school that he wanted to devote his life to the church.
But he’s afraid if they knew the truth about him he would lose that sacred trust.
“My ministry will not be able to continue if people knew that I was HIV-positive,” says Roger, who is gay and has broken his vows of celibacy.
Father Roger is not the only HIV-positive priest. He estimates that over the course of his ministry, he has known 15 to 20 priests who have contracted HIV through homosexual relations. Many have died.
“I’ve worked with priests who have died with AIDS,” says Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, who has spent the last 40 years researching and writing about the sexual habits of Catholic clergy. “I estimated that 750 priests had already died of AIDS,” says Sipe, who has analyzed hundreds of cases of AIDS in the priesthood, and believes that “another 750 priests carry the HIV virus.”
The Church’s Response
No one knows precisely how many priests have the AIDS virus or have died from the disease. But a recent effort to find out was conducted by the Kansas City Star.
Reporter Judy Thomas, who has collected priests’ death certificates over the past few years, says, “We will be able to document that at least 300 priests have died of AIDS — and that is likely to be conservative.”
But Sister Maryanne Walsh, the spokeswoman for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official voice of the church in the United States, says this represents only a small percentage of priests.
“It concerns me terribly that anybody has AIDS,” says Walsh. “And even more so it concerns me that 300 of our church leaders, of our priests, would have AIDS.” But, she adds, “even if you doubled that number, you’d have less than 1 percent. So while you have 300 tragic stories there, you don’t have a trend in the priesthood.”
sumber : http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123808&page=1
Even though AIDS can be contracted in a number of ways, experts including Sipes believe many priests contracted the disease through homosexual relations.
In his new best-selling book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, Father Donald Cozzens, a respected Catholic seminary president, says there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.”
Sipe, too, estimates that between 25 percent and 45 percent of American priests are homosexual in orientation.
Sister Walsh says not only would it be difficult to find evidence to support these estimates of gay men in the priesthood, but it is also irrelevant. “There’s no real purpose in saying whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual,” she says. “The issue is whether they can make a commitment.”
Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that there is nothing sinful about having a gay orientation or homosexual desires — whether you’re a priest or not. It’s acting on those desires that the church considers unnatural and wrong. So when a gay priest has sex, he is not only violating his vows of celibacy, but the church’s very strong moral teachings on homosexuality as well.
Preparing for Celibacy
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an outspoken liberal Catholic leader in Detroit, believes most priests are maintaining their vows of celibacy. But he says many of those men are gay. Gumbleton also believes that until recently, Catholic Seminarians failed to teach priests how to integrate their sexuality and didn’t adequately prepare them for a lifetime of celibacy.
But the church has made dramatic changes in the last decade in the way it addresses sexual issues in seminary. Instead of denying or repressing sexual desire, seminaries now use progressive psychology to help men deal openly with the once taboo topics of sexual attraction as well as homosexuality.
Seminarians, for example, learn how to channel their sexual energy, and that it is alright to embrace their homosexual orientation. They are taught that intimate, nonsexual friendships may help keep them from breaking their vow of celibacy.
And even AIDS is now being seriously addressed by the church.
“Jesus didn’t ask how people got leprosy,” says Father Dennis Rausch, a Miami priest who ministers to AIDS victims and also has full-blown AIDS himself. “We don’t ask how they became infected. We are here to walk with them — not to judge them in their journey.”
Rausch still has his job and can talk openly about his disease in his diocese because he refuses to discuss how he contracted HIV. By his silence, he hopes to sever the connection between homosexuality and AIDS.
“The Church has worked so hard to take away blame and guilt and shame and victimizing of anybody with this disease,” he says.
But not all priests with AIDS feel as comfortable speaking so openly. Often, their homosexuality and the violation of their vows of celibacy condemn them, keep them from telling the truth about their disease, and prevent them from finding the support they need.
“I’m comfortable with what I’m doing,” says Roger, though he also says the double life he lives sometimes troubles him. “If people wanted perfect priests and ministers and rabbis, perfect clergy, we’d all have to take off our collars and leave the sanctuary.” Roger adds, “I’m a good priest. My HIV is a result of a poor choice I made in my life … And that doesn’t mean that I have nothing left to give to the Church … God will judge me — with all the strengths and the weaknesses that He has given me.”
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mengerikan.....!!!
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Kasihilah sesamamu dengan HIV melalui Pantat!!!MNONONNNNHHHH BLEEEEHHHH!!!!
HAJAAAAAAAARRRR!!!!
SIKAAAAAAAAAAATTTT!!!
OCCHOPPI..OCCHHOPPI..!!!
DASAR BEJADDD!!!
Itulah sebabnya mengingkari kodrat manusia yaitu REPRODUKSI!!
Lha wong di kasih nikmat, di ciptakan wanita, di ciptakan berpasang"an...
KOK DENGAN MUNAFIKNYA, MAU MENJADI PELAYAN TUHAN!! YANG KAGA BOLEH REPRODUKSI!!!
KRESETAN..KRESETAN.. AJIB AKH...
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@atas...
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
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Iya MasBro..DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:@atas...
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
Mangaph yak...
Abis, Kelakuan KRESETAN Itu lho..
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TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:Iya MasBro..DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:@atas...
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
Mangaph yak...
Abis, Kelakuan KRESETAN Itu lho..
Tolong kasi tau sinchan "Jangan nungging" didepan pastur gitu...
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wkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkDOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:Iya MasBro..DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:@atas...
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
Mangaph yak...
Abis, Kelakuan KRESETAN Itu lho..
Tolong kasi tau sinchan "Jangan nungging" didepan pastur gitu...
PASTUR PADA MUPENG NGELIAT PANTAT!! (mending kalo pantat lawan jenis!lha ini sejenis!!!)
Fenomena yang aneh!
Atau, di Vatikan sana sudah jadi KELAB yah masBro!
KELAB MONONNNHH!!! wkwkwkwkwkwk
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TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:wkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkwkDOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:Iya MasBro..DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:@atas...
huussshhhh!!!
Sinchannya Gak boleh sembarang nungging gitu...!
Dangerous.....!
Mangaph yak...
Abis, Kelakuan KRESETAN Itu lho..
Tolong kasi tau sinchan "Jangan nungging" didepan pastur gitu...
PASTUR PADA MUPENG NGELIAT PANTAT!! (mending kalo pantat lawan jenis!lha ini sejenis!!!)
Fenomena yang aneh!
Atau, di Vatikan sana sudah jadi KELAB yah masBro!
KELAB MONONNNHH!!! wkwkwkwkwkwk
Akibat menolak 'nature' mereka sebagai manusia...
tapi diem2 'maen' belakang....
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gw numpang muntahh..
yg bawah gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
yg bawah gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
Sama! gw juga muntah-muntah setelah tau kelakuan pemuka agama kalian yang di sebut KRESETAN!!DariKelMuslim wrote:gw numpang muntahh..
yg bawah gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
yang di atas gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
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TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:Sama! gw juga muntah-muntah setelah tau kelakuan pemuka agama kalian yang di sebut KRESETAN!!DariKelMuslim wrote:gw numpang muntahh..
yg bawah gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
yang di atas gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
waduh...
jangan pada muntah atas bawah dunk...
saya jadi kecipratan uewwweeeknnyaa....
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Sedia payung sebelum kemuntahan MasBro...DOMBA BERTARING SERIGALA wrote:TukangTipu a.k.a. Yesus wrote:Sama! gw juga muntah-muntah setelah tau kelakuan pemuka agama kalian yang di sebut KRESETAN!!DariKelMuslim wrote:gw numpang muntahh..
yg bawah gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
yang di atas gw = SAMPAH PENGANGGURAN TAK BERPENDIDIKAN
waduh...
jangan pada muntah atas bawah dunk...
saya jadi kecipratan uewwweeeknnyaa....
kekeekekeke...
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TIDAK DAPAT DISANGKAL BAHWA KEHIDUPAN PARA BIARAWAN KATOLIK MEMANG MEMRIHATINKAN.
SEKALIPUN KATOLIK BISA DIKATAKAN MERUPAKAN CIKAL BAKAL AGAMA KRISTEN, TETAPI KARENA BANYAKNYA PENYELEWENAGN YANG TERJADI PADA MASA KEKATOLIKAN DIJADIKAN AGAMA NEGARA, MAKA MUNCULLAH SEORANG PASTOR YESUIT (DARI ORDO KATOLIK YANG SANGAT KETAT), YAITU MARTIN LUTHER YANG MEMROTES SEGALA PENYELEWENGAN YANG TERJADI SEHINGGA TERBENTUKLAH AGAMA PROTESTAN.
KATOLIK MEMILIKI PENGAJARAN YANG DI DASARKAN PADA ALKITAB TETAPI DENGAN SEBUAH NILAI PLUS, YAITU ADANYA PATUNG2 DI DALAM GEREJA DI MANA ORANG BERSEMBAHYANG DI HADAPANNYA DAN MENJADIKAN ORANG2 KUDUS YANG DIBUAT PATUNGNYA ITU SEBAGAI PERANTARA,
LALU MENGAPA PARA PASTOR ITU BISA GAGAL DI DALAM MENJALANI SUATU KEHIDUPAN YANG KUDUS DALAM PENGERTIAN BERSELIBAT? KARENA MEREKA HIDUP TIDAK SEJALAN DENGAN KODRATNYA SEBAGAI MANUSIA. FIRMAN TUHAN DALAM:
Matius: 19:12 Ada orang yang tidak dapat kawin karena ia memang lahir demikian dari rahim ibunya, dan ada orang yang dijadikan demikian oleh orang lain, dan ada orang yang membuat dirinya demikian karena kemauannya sendiri oleh karena Kerajaan Sorga. Siapa yang dapat mengerti hendaklah ia mengerti."
JADI BERSELIBAT HANYA BISA DILAKUKAN BILA:
1) IA TIDAK DAPAT KAWIN KARENA MERUPAKAN CACAT LAHIR
2) AKIBAT PERBUATAN ORANG LAIN: DIKEBIRI, MENGALAMI KECELAKAAN DLL
3) KARENA KEINGINAN SENDIRI YANG DI DASARKAN SEBAGAI PANGGILAN TUHAN
I Korintus: 7:5 Janganlah kamu saling menjauhi, kecuali dengan persetujuan bersama untuk sementara waktu, supaya kamu mendapat kesempatan untuk berdoa. Sesudah itu hendaklah kamu kembali hidup bersama-sama, supaya Iblis jangan menggodai kamu, karena kamu tidak tahan bertarak.
KEADAAN BERSELIBAT DI SINI DITUJUKAN UNTUK SUAMI ISTERI DENGAN MAKSUD AGAR BISA LEBIH TEKUN DALAM BERDOA.
SEKALIPUN KATOLIK BISA DIKATAKAN MERUPAKAN CIKAL BAKAL AGAMA KRISTEN, TETAPI KARENA BANYAKNYA PENYELEWENAGN YANG TERJADI PADA MASA KEKATOLIKAN DIJADIKAN AGAMA NEGARA, MAKA MUNCULLAH SEORANG PASTOR YESUIT (DARI ORDO KATOLIK YANG SANGAT KETAT), YAITU MARTIN LUTHER YANG MEMROTES SEGALA PENYELEWENGAN YANG TERJADI SEHINGGA TERBENTUKLAH AGAMA PROTESTAN.
KATOLIK MEMILIKI PENGAJARAN YANG DI DASARKAN PADA ALKITAB TETAPI DENGAN SEBUAH NILAI PLUS, YAITU ADANYA PATUNG2 DI DALAM GEREJA DI MANA ORANG BERSEMBAHYANG DI HADAPANNYA DAN MENJADIKAN ORANG2 KUDUS YANG DIBUAT PATUNGNYA ITU SEBAGAI PERANTARA,
LALU MENGAPA PARA PASTOR ITU BISA GAGAL DI DALAM MENJALANI SUATU KEHIDUPAN YANG KUDUS DALAM PENGERTIAN BERSELIBAT? KARENA MEREKA HIDUP TIDAK SEJALAN DENGAN KODRATNYA SEBAGAI MANUSIA. FIRMAN TUHAN DALAM:
Matius: 19:12 Ada orang yang tidak dapat kawin karena ia memang lahir demikian dari rahim ibunya, dan ada orang yang dijadikan demikian oleh orang lain, dan ada orang yang membuat dirinya demikian karena kemauannya sendiri oleh karena Kerajaan Sorga. Siapa yang dapat mengerti hendaklah ia mengerti."
JADI BERSELIBAT HANYA BISA DILAKUKAN BILA:
1) IA TIDAK DAPAT KAWIN KARENA MERUPAKAN CACAT LAHIR
2) AKIBAT PERBUATAN ORANG LAIN: DIKEBIRI, MENGALAMI KECELAKAAN DLL
3) KARENA KEINGINAN SENDIRI YANG DI DASARKAN SEBAGAI PANGGILAN TUHAN
I Korintus: 7:5 Janganlah kamu saling menjauhi, kecuali dengan persetujuan bersama untuk sementara waktu, supaya kamu mendapat kesempatan untuk berdoa. Sesudah itu hendaklah kamu kembali hidup bersama-sama, supaya Iblis jangan menggodai kamu, karena kamu tidak tahan bertarak.
KEADAAN BERSELIBAT DI SINI DITUJUKAN UNTUK SUAMI ISTERI DENGAN MAKSUD AGAR BISA LEBIH TEKUN DALAM BERDOA.
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pas liat judulnya......gregetan nih tangan buat ngelabrak....tapi pas liat isinya.....huh...lega juga......
nih TS makin aja....
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pantesan di kristen ada istilah Threesome, Gang bang.. party orgy..
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Christ Killer wrote:pantesan di kristen ada istilah Threesome, Gang bang.. party orgy..
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
huahahahahaha...
itu kan oknum...
ente lupa habib yang colokin pantat santri-santrinya di jakarta...
atau kyai yang setubuhi santriwatinya? huahahahahahaha....
kalo yang benar-benar musibah tuh banyak...
mislnya islam vs budha di myanmar
huahahahahaha....
msih hangat huahahahah..
itu kan oknum...
ente lupa habib yang colokin pantat santri-santrinya di jakarta...
atau kyai yang setubuhi santriwatinya? huahahahahahaha....
kalo yang benar-benar musibah tuh banyak...
mislnya islam vs budha di myanmar
huahahahahaha....
msih hangat huahahahah..
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
oknum atau emang ajarannya begitu cuyyy...
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kok si shagy dog ama si kuku bima ga nongol2 apa dia ngumpet yah???
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
dasar alkitabiahnya salome mana ya?
kalau dasar quraniah sih banyak
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Re: GOTONG ROONG ITU BUDAYA KRISTEN....keren khan?...islam mana ada gotong royong....
kura-kura kakinya perak, pura-pura mau berak.. arti kiasannya adalah gitu aje pura-pura gak tau.. di bibel bin ijil ada tuh
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tak terasa dah lama....si kaum pagan gak nongol2...kecuali yang prosetan....
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